Definitely! was as described and all numbers correct. SMLE (No1 MkIII) tolerances were so tight that parts from rifles made in several UK manufacturers, South Africa, Australia, and India are interchangeable (well, the Indian production was known for slightly looser tolerances but can the adjusted to fit). Its as if managing the fallout is somehow easier than preventing the screwup in the first place. At .30, the neck might seem a bit short of ideal by traditional handloading standards, but given limits imposed by the action, it's surely long enough. Eleven years later the 336 replaced the 36. And in the intervening time an idiot like me buying a Ford gets crappy parts. Seemed fine at the store. Only action dimensions limit the 99 to short, rimless rounds. No problem there. (Remington officials later acknowledged the move was a disaster.) of free recoil energy. Marlin isn't owned by Remington Arms. Really wanted a big bore lever and this was the one. They sent me private emails and said I was the problem and was somehow trying to make the gun look bad. Description: Marlin 338 MX, Lever action rifle, 338 Marlin Express caliber, 22 inch barrel. I chose the BL model because I wanted the 18 barrel and the big loop. "We used the Steyr hull as a model but didn't make the new round from that brass.". Although the thicker case webbing reduced capacity, new powders allow the .338 Marlin Express to achieve velocities similar to the .338 Federal with significantly lower pressures. Even counting screws and springs, its probably still less than a hundred individual pieces. These machines are set up to do this operation, theyre going to do only that operation, which means that theyre not changed. My second Model 336 was the Texan with a straight-grip stock, which was the standard version. "And to get the sectional density we want, the bullet would have to be quite heavy.". Five hundred isnt bad though, especially if it is one of the more expensive models (lam stock guide gun). Its been great on three deer so far. Marlin used to be a quality rifle, but the late ones seem to be somewhat under par to their predecessors. But Dave Emary and his engineering team didn't stop at the bullet tip. The barrel has some Marlin markings on it and the MarlinNorth Haven CT. stamp on the left side of the barrel just below the rear sight. It covers the niche left by the semi-moribund (but excellent) .358 Winchester and covers it a bit better in the opinion of many who've used both. Federal has created a safer, easier and more reliable way to shoot a muzzleloader. The proceeds were donated to the Hunting & Shooting Sports Heritage Fund. It was no more than introduced and they discontinued it. We hoped to do that in late 2012, however we were not as far along as we would have liked to have been, says Fink. I was not sure about getting the Marlins due to the negative feedback from the Remington acquisition. The trigger is better than on the newer gun, the action is smoother, and the loading gate doesnt need to be replaced to be functional. I witnessed first hand the debacle that occurred when no less than IBM decided to consolidate manufacturing and moved the old RS6000 line from Austin to Rochester. The .338 Marlin Express has plenty of power, the FTX bullet is good and tough, but 2,500 fps is good only up to a point. This was not my first bad experience with AAC the first being when the ratchet on that suppressor flew off while shooting it in a rural environment, which fortunately did not result in a baffle strike. Working the action while watching TV loosened it up. So how many people did they screw of out hundreds of thousands of dollars for the defective guns? They are a little heavier than the imports. Beth Shimanski of Savage introduces their all new straight-pull rifle. Dave insists he was careful in listing velocities for the new .33 in the 24-inch barrels to be installed by Marlin. On the contrary, if you have good dimensioning and tolerancing, and good drawings, all the parts will swap. This skill is not something you can glean off drawings alone. This new "standard velocity" .338 Marlin Express load should be part of the more or less popularly priced Hornady Custom Rifle ammunition line. instructions, UPS labeling, insurance paid, etc.. It is one of the all-time great deer rifles, and anyone should be proud to own one. We were training a new workforce to build these rifles, says Fink. So, in terms of killing power, the .338 Marlin Express is a 200 yard elk cartridge and a 300 yard deer cartridge with the Hornady 200 grain flat point bullet at a MV of 2400 fps. sadly, i think the same. The Marlin Model 338 Marlin Express Long Rifle is a lever-action hunting rifle chambered in .338 Marlin Express. The existing bullet was remade with a thinner jacket in order to promote expansion and upset at longer ranges. To save Marlin from imploding, Remington invested both dollars and manpower in a multifaceted approach to achieve the kind of quality that had slipped during the transition. All function well and shoot fine. The author fired this sub-minute group with a Leupold-scoped Marlin in .338 ME with Hornady ammunition. Marlin Camp 9mm when will it or something like it come back? Perhaps they are indeed back and really focusing on quality once again. You have beaten the naysayers! The Marlin sign is still there. The proof mark on the barrel is Remington(REP) on the of barrel near the receiver. Unfortunately for Marlin, right now Henry occupies the spot that Marlin used to. The 450 was ok. Just went in last week to get one, wow what a pile of junk!!!! But if they dont get their crap together, theyre going to fade and that would be a shame. To say we made a couple of mistakes is a bit of an understatement, says Teddy Novin, director of public affairs. Maybe I can get some help. No. I also have a 39A that Ive owned since 1984, its year of manufacture, for comparison. Itll make ragged holes @ 50 yards off a bench using 158gr JSPs. It had taken an hour to cut the old Ballard-style rifling with the scrape-cutter method, but a barrel could be rifled in only a few seconds with the button method. The magazine capacity 16 rounds of LR, or 21 rounds of Short is ridiculously generous. Each rifle was for all intents and purposes a custom build. Only found one used one and it had a big dent and chunk taken out of the feed tube so I passed. Available in different sizes and red dot ready, it'll fit your needs, whatever they are. I was flabbergasted! Personally, Id LOVE a SS .41mag levergun, perhaps to compliment a .41 4 5/8 SS Blackhawk, or even a Vaquero. I own two 336's in 30-30 and 35 Rem. It would be the best lever gun out there. It has a 20-inch barrel, and its walnut stock and forearm have generous checkering coverage. Ive successfully taken three deer with the 1894 using my reloads, one doe shot at 70 yards, one buck at 5 yards, and one doe at 50 yards. Almost exactly a year ago (on 12/15/16, to be exact), I took delivery of a brand new Marlin 336BL. | I would personally not buy anything that hasnt already undergone many manufacturing learning cycles. Hopefully, theyll never have a problem, and I honestly wish them well. Another attempt was made in 1983 with the .307 Winchester and .356 Winchester, and while rifles in .356 Win. Can thebrand survive four years of cranking out dreadful firearms, especially with Henry Repeating Rifles eating its breakfast, lunch and dinner? bought one marlin model 62 30 carbine levermatic from gunbrokers and it is perfect and shoots great came with 4 power scope.. .338 Marlin Express Not since the original .33 WCF did anyone offer a .338 for . Too many couch commandos. Thats why the steel, especially on the receiver, had to be very, very good. but it is smooth on sliding surfaces . But as it left the factory, it was a gun that left a LOT to be desired, and I can only assume that their QC guy had had a large liquid lunch before checking the batch of rifles that included mine, and he was too drunk to give a crap. Estimated Value *Using 80% condition for calculating used Values. I laugh, because as a seasoned Tool & Die maker, I have made hundreds, if not thousands of parts with no drawings But maybe the pissed off, soon to be jobless employees of Marlin, made the drawings disapear! Introducing the NEW 338 Marlin Express, the most lethal combination of flat trajectory and game-leveling energy to ever grace a lever gun. For those of you who want a good lever action, just log-on to GunBroker and you can find a lot of the older models looking for a new home. That gets a bit tougher. Terms and Conditions and Privacy Policy. Were working hard to bring it back.. Working with their powder supplier, Hornady has achieved superior efficiency with the .308 Marlin, holding the MAP to 47,500 psi. Scoped it and went to the range. HOR8721. They include the Standard rifle with a checkered walnut stock and 22-inch barrel; the Trapper with a synthetic stock, 16.5-inch barrel, and Skinner aperture sight; the Cowboy with an 18.5- or a 26-inch tapered octagon barrel; the 1895G with a walnut stock and an 18.5-inch barrel; the same gun with a laminated wood stock and a big-loop finger lever called the Model 1895GBL; the Model 1895GS with a straight-grip walnut stock and an 18.5-inch barrel; and the 1895SBL in stainless steel and laminated wood with an 18.5-inch barrel and a Picatinny rail with a Skinner aperture sight. . Usually I just look for the JM on the barrel. When I wasnt looking someone stoled. I dont HAVE to deal with them. It could probably be rectified with some elbow grease, but then Id have to refinish the stock. Oct 14, 2012. The opinions are all over the board. Learn the difference between revolvers and semi-auto pistols and what makes them different. It was the same. We suspected they would probably try to build the system but we werent too worried. They didnt do ANY of that. At 250 yards the velocity is 1507 fps and the energy is 1008 ft. lbs. This powerful, fast handling rifle would be a good choice for hunting any bear species. But the older guns will always be what I will seek when I add to my collection. They are all great rifles and the tubular magazine issue is only as big as one chooses to make it. The right stock has a tiny gap where it butts up. My Marlin 39A was purchased in late 2010 and was sadly an exercise in patience to get it operating at an acceptable level. But at the 100-yard mark, they have equal punch, and beyond that, the ballistically superior .338 takes over. It's functioning now but the taste left in my mouth of how bad it was and the grief it caused in the field still remains. "The .35 is just not a popular size," he told me after I suggested a super .358. Thinking about it. New propellants provide maximum muzzle velocity at conventional pressures, resulting in flatter trajectories and more downrange energy. We have seen great improvement over the year, and we continue to focus on further improvements.. It was a huge mistake to move the Marlin manufacturing to NY. So far, using off the shelf Black Hills 175 grain SMKs, Ive been able to hit clay pigeons on the berm at 800 yards with it. Front site crooked, tap hole drill in the wrong position. Had to put a scope on it or it would shoot 8-10 . document.write(new Date().getFullYear()) Copyright Hornady, Privacy Policy | CCPA Request | Accessibility Policy | Terms of Use, Designed and developed by IdeaBank Marketing. They got back to me 2 weeks ago, saying my rifle could not be repaired and they would sent a new one. Sir, I bought a Marlin Original Golden model 39-A .22 rifle in 1977 when I returned home to the U.S.A from New Zealand and I still have it. Before there were scopes or red dots there were iron sights. Theres a narrow path back to respectability, but without some new blood running the show, the chances of the current jagoffs making the right choices seems very, very slim. Their Henry original is the rifle they should have designed in the first place, and Id buy one, but not at $2300. Mag. Back in the day, youhad to read a gunreview very carefully to pick-up any hintthat afirearm was a POS. too bad Savage didnt buy Marlin. Not any longer. Joseph Von Benedikt shows his custom 500 and how well it shoots. Best case is that the piece ahead of this one had a JM stamp on the barrel. in 2009 hornady's ballistics dept under the direction of dave emary developed a cartridge with a ballistics match to the 30-06 180gr load. Good products can help. Re-assemble the widgets from the random parts and see if they ALL work nope. In 2011 I bought a Marlin 1894c in .357. And to add insult to injury, he told me that there was no way it was out of spec, because they dont ship out of spec products, and so he was going to just end up returning the defective part to me. For more than a century, bullets for straight-tube magazines were stuck with blunt, ballistically inefficient noses. At this point I can fast fire 38 specials on target very easily. The rifle never came out for hunting. Their lockup is as strong as that of most bolt rifles. The equally impressive .308 Marlin Express mimics .308 Win. You can dismiss that as whining on an Internet forum if you want. Clearly no one had ever worked this action at the factory or anywhere else until this poor guy got it to the range. Even though Im an engineer and not an MBA, even I know that. Robert Farago is the former publisher of The Truth About Guns (TTAG). This means you have the option to read your magazine on most popular phones and tablets. I couldnt help but to giggle here Because most of those people were laid off. Our first season bear tags take eight years to get. With Mitch Mittelstaedt and other colleagues, Dave narrowed his choice of bullet diameters. Im a retired defense industry engineer and have to agree with you about supplying the drawings. Its practical effective range on CXP2 game would be limited by its trajectory. Kimber's Hunter Pro Desolve Blak takes the firm's more affordable mountain rifle to new heights. 338 Marlin Express (online-PDF 39,6 KB), "All Aboard the .338 Marlin Express" article in, "308 Marlin Express LEVERevolution at Hornady web site", "MidwayUSA data for Lapua Ammunition .30-06 Springfield 200gr Soft Point ammunition", "MidwayUSA data for Norma Ammunition .30-06 Springfield 200gr "Oryx Protected Point" soft point ammunition", ".307 Winchester reload data by Accurate Powder", ".300 Savage reload data by Accurate Powder", ".308 Winchester reload data by Accurate", "MidwayUSA data on Black Hills Gold Ammunition .308 180gr Nosler Accubond load. I think you reward good products from a company and cut the legs off the rest. Quantity: 20 Rounds. In profile, the cartridge looks efficient and muscular. An example of data being processed may be a unique identifier stored in a cookie. Update! Any resemblance between an 1860~1865 Henry and a modern one is limited to them both having levers on the bottom to open and close the bolts and a tubular magazine; The internal bits are completely different, and thats a VERY good thingthe operating pressure on a modern .22LR is much higher than that developed by a black-powder .44 Henry Flat. Fact is, I loved that Marlin rifle and hated to part with it but it was defective. This round was designed with an elastomer tip, so that the .338 projectile would be safe for use in the tubular magazines of lever-action rifles. The demand of used 338 MARLIN EXPRESS rifle's has not changed over the past 12 months. The only changes Ive made to it is to add a Williams peep sight on the receiver, and a fiberoptic front sight of the right height to match the rear sight. Second, which physical specimen do you choose as your master? Notify me of follow-up comments by email. So I didnt have to send it in to Marlin to get it fixed. I kinda wish Freedom Group would just hurl itself against the wall. And customer service at Reminton/Marlin is reportedly very slow. Side by side you wonder if Savage makes them for marlin, the stock seems to be the only thing different between the two. This is a serious safety issue. They do some pretty rigorous and thorough testing, so youre getting a little bit more than paying for an opinion. I know you took the point about there being no way Marlin was doing that . How many parts does an 1894 have? Now I have to check my Marlin 30.30 to see if its pre Freedom group. Well I will put up my Henry Big Boy 44 mag up against any thing out there. We realized it would be a challenging move, says Fink. I like the fore grips on my lever action. To get started, click the link below to visit mymagnow.com and learn how to access your digital magazine. This is a sincere question and NOT a flame. Ive heard the nightmare stories. did not. A practical medium bore caliber that kicks no more than a popular small bore! I own two Marlins. Shooting is near end. Im an old man too. O'Connor's concept was a medium bore cartridge with moderate recoil that the average woods and brush hunter could use for shooting deer, feral hogs, black bear and possibly elk. The Marlin Model 1893, which was introduced in 1893, was essentially the companys previous side-ejecting Model 1889 with improvements and a longer action. That said, Ive ordered a Henry Big Boy Steel rifle in .45 Colt. Now people are either hanging on to them or they are being bought up. Yes, an experienced machinist can make ONE widget with no drawings, by writing his calculations and dimensions on an envelope. All bullets fired at that distance were inside 6.0 inches. Pair it with Steves Guns bolt mounted peep sight (replaces wing nut safety) and steves ejector spring and metal follower. I dont trust any Cerberus-owned company to make a decent product. Are people really buying that many .30-30s to hunt with? Its generally a 3-4 MOA rifle. By signing up you agree to Guns.com's Long story short, emailed Remington, waited a day, then shipped it to North Carolina. It is just a shame what freedom group or whatever didto these brands, from top to bottom real fast. Seller: AJGUNSNSTUFF ( FFL) $999.99. I mean, how bad do you have to fuck up to make a Rossi look like the better choice? of recoil with a 200 grain bullet would defeat the primary purpose of the cartridge. The outer cosmetic problems seemed to have improved over the last year (2014), but people on the Marlinforum are still reporting function problems. I have one in 308 Marlin Express and it works great. Fix the stocks and I might give Marlin another chance. Lever Action Metallic Silhouette a fun and popular shooting sport, and Winchesters Model 94 in .22 Winchester Magnum is a natural choice for this competition. Big difference. With ballistics that match up to the hallowed .30-'06, the new .338 Marlin Express makes lever guns more potent, and more practical, for big game. How in the world they mass produced a quality product without drawings before the move is mind boggling. Only after we fully warn the customer that is, because it is now like winning 50$ off a scratch ticket, 1 in 50 is a winner. But the BLR, like Winchester's Model 88 and the forgotten Sako Finnwolf, are not traditional lever actions. Still, it didn't rattle my teeth, even in prone position with my collarbone hard against the butt. Made in 1967. Depend on MUNITIONS EXPRESS to bring you a multitude of money-saving rebates on ammo everyday. The one made in this century has the hardest action to cycle. But then again the 1860 design had ergonomic flaws the magazine loading instead of the loading gate. .338" (Marlin Express) PRODUCT LINE: FTX . And, its not even that old. I used it in a Marlin 336 to kill an elk and to fire some impressive groups. Some might say Federal beat him to the punch, with the excellent .338 Federal just now getting its legs. He was not a happy camper. Machines were held together with what amounted to little more than Band-Aids, creating inefficient and costly production processes . Id be willing to give them a shot. At the fifty yard range I noticed another fella with a lever gun so I went over for a chat. Everything on the Remlin from the cheap blackened UNCHROMED bolt to the cheap ugly blackened unblued steel, to the poorly fitted screws that protruded where they were recessed on the real Marlin to the crude chunky birch stock just screamed POS. All opinions welcome. 10 Best 6.5mm Rifle Cartridges Available Right Now, Ruger No. And to add insult to injury, the loading gate on the 336 is so stiff, that it is difficult for my 65 year old hands to stuff cartridges into it. #1. It wasnt just that he was wrong on the facts, which he was, it was also that he talked down to me about it and was incredibly dismissive. gun-tests.com you gotta pay to see what it says Isnt this what Pelosi did with obummercare. It had a problem with the half-cock safety. SIG Sauer P365 Pistol Now Offered in .380, The Colt Anaconda .44 Rem. Marlin makes a 338 Marlin Express. Gone are all versions of the 450 Marlin. Access features of the Reloading Handbook on your mobile device with the Reloading App. The fact of the matter is that I got a great 357 magnum/ 38 special rifle for $500. Remington Premier Ammunition 338 Marlin Express 250 Grain Soft Point Box of 20 Shop All Featured Ammunition Featured Gun Parts Featured Reloading Supplies . Maybe they wrote a puff piece for some disclosed reason, such as sponsorship dollars. And theres no getting around it: Marlin should have shut down manufacturing completely during thistransition. The company has done major damage to the brand by selling thousands of crap guns. Im not at liberty to identify the system, but we were under contract once to deliver a few systems (same items) to a foreign country along with the manufacturing drawings. Meanwhile, production engineers were evaluating what new modern equipment would be necessary once they knew the exact dimensions that would be coming off the machine. At my shop we will no longer carry any new made rifle from any of these three. The CS guy should have copied a page from that book. Id let about ten thousand optimists beta test the new, new, NEW! Marlin rifles before I would even think of buying one. OK, you decide how to resolve the above issue. At .30, the neck might seem a bit short of ideal by traditional handloading standards, but given limits imposed by the action, it's surely long enough.
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