is ferry morse seeds owned by monsanto? is ferry morse seeds owned by monsanto?

Initially, I did not respond to this because although you framed it in an appeal to dire consequences, you carefully put a disclaimer transferring the burden of fact-checking to others. So, because of all these conversational choices youve made, from my end, it feels more like a monologue instead of a conversation. You think that you have answered it, but to me that was not an answer. You dont know what to think about my question? And as I already said, I already do avoid the products you mention. 0000001396 00000 n 0000002085 00000 n No real surprise there. But I am not making a blanket statement. And this is actually your version of limiting the scope of your discussion to only what was relative? Reduce their power and influence by buying from people who are trustworthy and interested in keeping the food supply unadulterated. Any seed you buy will not be GMO, unless you are a commercial farmer and then you will must sign a GMO agreement before they will sell you seeds. All American Seeds are 100% Non-GMO. It is not my fault that they bought it. After nobody else volunteered you used information about the India topic which you presented as an obligation of every living person with another if: This illustrates the cycle of misinformation undecided folks face. If you repeat the same flaws, I will respond by repeating myself, too. Maybe it was her fault for misunderstanding something or maybe it was the fault of whatever she read, but the fact is that all the vague (or downright inaccurate), sensationalist, and/or fear mongering information regarding GMO's and Monsanto that is out there is not really helping anything. . That is an analysis of my part of the conversation and intentions and a label that youve added to describe your interpretation of it. No you dont see Monsanto rescuing us but yet, you are hoping that the GMO potential solution will. Pupilla - That's fine. There have been remarkable and beneficial gains made through their scientific research. The company's headquarters were located in New Haven, Connecticut. Perhaps even more impressive is the companys history of innovation. But yet they have been included in the list. I don't think that that is a very reliable list. I don't want to win, I want to learn from you. Thats a pretty negative view of people who you dont agree with. LOL! Being undecided means I have issues with both sides. Still any article or post or thread that criticizes GMO is a good thing to me, because it gets the word out. Why would you support that company giving it your money? We later expanded the catalog to include peppers and eggplant since they are in the same plant family as tomatoes. I see the natural world, and I see the effect that humans have had on it, when they assume that they know enough to tamper with it. You evidently see no need to choose a side, but in making no choice you actually do make a choice. Similar to our situation with the food supply, dependence on the government is only a service to the government, never the governed. Keeney & Son joined together. [11], In 2005, Groupe Limagrain sold Ferry-Morse to Jiffy International. Do you think the "Natural" or "Original" Species of plants ( and maybe other organisms too ) will go extinct because of the GMOs overpopulating the Whole World? You still dont know that they wont at some future time. Native Seeds/S.E.A.R.C.H. And what does my belief that GMOs are 1000% wrong, or any reason why I believe that, have anything at all to do with the sentence you are responding to? I have answered your post this time by copying the body of it and putting yours in italics in its entirety so I would not miss anyting and responded to each and every point. That can only be because you have failed to grasp what my concerns are and what they mean. Disclaimer: I worked for a seed company that was being purchased by Monsanto, in a GMO-free operation. What, remove names once someone finds an inaccuracy? 0000020325 00000 n I put your complete, and in context quote in your original words above my reply. Gunna go GMO & Chemical ( & other non-goodie stuff ) free! Saying such a tragic thing is like Chicken Little saying the Sky is Falling, as if it were on equal grounds with the gravity of the rest of this. For instance, the Irish potato famine (which actually effected almost the entire continent of Europe) and the more recent (1970s) famine caused by almost total annihilation of the wheat crop in the USSR. And here is another article, from Reuters. Between 1996 and 2007, Monsanto, the largest supplier of genetically engineered (or GMO) seed traits,2 acquired more than a dozen smaller companies,3 and it now controls 60 percent of corn and 62.5 percent of soy-bean seeds and seed trait licenses in the United States.4 So any conclusions either of us draw from this conversation are not accurate or complete. That is disrespectful. I cannot support misleading people for political ends. Language links are at the top of the page across from the title. The Company is Part of a Massachusetts based privately owned gardening company known as plantation products. Now I see that two hours was not even enough to satisfy you and that you have more about what Ive had to say, to criticize and pick apart. ;-), I appreciate that you see some value in it. That is the best way to find out who owns a company. In my opinion, it should not even be legal to do that. I carefully put a disclaimer transferring the burden of fact checking to others? There is nothing wrong with my logic. The recent development of the "Golden Rice Project" has aimed to genetically alter the staple crop to provide vitamin A to people who depend on rice for sustenance and as a result of their diet, often suffer severe deficiencies in the nutrient which can cause blindness and increases infant mortality rates in the developing world.In fact, as the worlds population continues to grow, use of GE crops shows significant promise to stabilizing the worlds food supply. They covered the seed company acquisitions briefly and had a graphic with the citation leading back to this person's research. If you can tell their ideology from the title, it probably isn't. Ed, do you see the green sentence at the bottom of the thread, to click on to switch off notifications? Audubon Workshop Breck's Bulbs Cook's Garden Dege Garden Center Earl May Seed E & R Seed Co Ferry Morse Flower of the Month Club Gardens Alive Germania Seed Co Garden Trends HPS Jung Seed Genetics Lindenberg Seeds McClure and Zimmerman Quality Bulb Brokers Mountain Valley . It goes against my core beliefs. No. It is possible that some companies are not eager to advertise what they own. But you claim that you do. Because, after the Seminis buyout, Territorial and others were purchasing some seeds from a Monsanto subsidiary, some really nasty rumors got started that Territorial, Johnny's and others are owned by Monsanto. Which makes it difficult to discuss with you. McKenzie continues to set industry standards while being conscious and responsive to the growing concerns involved with food: cost, quality and safety. All McKenzie seeds are 100% Non-GMO. It does not refer to anything specific and is just disrespectful. I hope to be able to continue having options to grow all conventionally bred varieties, including Better Boy tomatoes, therefore I will have no part of any boycott of wholesome, certifiably organic vegetable varieties smearing them so that they eventually might become discontinued and lost forever to those of us who like to grow them. Not a good fit. I've made an attempt to at least present some links to what should be reliable sources of information. 0000492936 00000 n In 1856, Milo T. Gardner, Dexter M. Ferry, and Eber F. Church[1] organized a small seed-growing company, M.T. This company seems to be power hungry and has their own agenda as far as the food supply goes and seems to be lacking in integrity. "We do not buy seed from Monsanto-owned Seminis. Again, You can buy from any company you want and you will never get any GMO seeds from Monsanto or anyone else. 2. I don't see much else other than getting frustrated. Grow your. The D.M. There is a link to a pdf on his site that shows the graphics a little more clearly. And is it inaccurate to say that Monsanto does produce GMO seeds and that is their main goal? It would be nice to have first-hand experience, accuracy, truthfulness and completeness in anything we read and I am quick to react when something doesn't smell right. That is pretty depressing. That being said, I will admit that GE crops are faaaaaaaar from impervious to these same kinds of disasters. Thanks your thoughts prarie. [6], In 1905, Ferry sold one of their large corn fields to the Burroughs Adding Machine Company. Nobody has the right to force anyone to eat anything. prarie, I'll summarize what I found disagreeable (it was your post, quoted below) and hopefully the recap will serve as the explanation you ask for: 1. False is false. I choose to evaluate products on a case by case basis rather than be preached to by articles (such as the info one that started this thread) or lobbies (such as those sponsored by lawyers on both sides, or lobbies). But it was encouraging to read about "small-scale breeders who are developing and stewarding regionally suited crop varieties, nurtured in part by the Organic Seed Alliance. 0000536287 00000 n Concise and to the point and analyzing the subject youre discussing and not the person you are discussing it with is also beneficial. Or that people who oppose GMOs do not have legitimate reasons to consider them dangerous? They are trying to sensationalize things through scare tactics, in my opinion. This year, I used FEDCO for my vegetable seeds again. I am not here to play games with words or be tripped up or trip anyone up. The observation that you think I was referring to you or labeling you, is incorrect, and I would counter that you clearly are labeling yourself. It's rhetorical. I did a bit of research, I don't believe that Ferry Morse/ Jiffy/ American Seed is owned by Monsanto. And the hyperbole"Monsanto, maybe the most evil corporation ever". Again, thread was how to avoid planting GMO seeds. Can't beat that. [3] Ferry built a new warehouse, and by 1890 was doing over a million and a half dollars in business annually. You seem to feel that what you have to say is much more important than anything I have to say. This is so sad. We all want this, right? The list isn't just what companies are actually owned by Monsanto, but it also includes seed companies that simply sell some Seminis seed. The end result: faster and stronger growth resulting in higher yields. Is there any way to stop getting notifications of this topic? I saw that article in my travels but didn't have time to read it and I almost posted a link to it earlier. It's a coop. Monsanto spends a lot of money lobbying Washington, so -- we have no law against genetically modifying seed. [2] They read any random thing, take it as gospel, and think they're informed without considering the source of the information, the bias of the author, or the fact that data can be manipulated to make any theory true. Hollyhock Summer Carnival Mixed Colors Seed. I think we can both persue our understanding of GMO issues separately and perhaps, in the future we can stick to discussing which tomato tastes the best. 0000535956 00000 n You entered the conversation challenging the idea of boycotting GMO seeds. Organic 1-Gram Parsley Flat Italian Herb (Seed Packet) Model # 464433.249.908043. But it would seem to me that, while the conclusions about what happened in India may have been controversial, something definitely negative happened in India as a result of Monsanto introducing GMO seed. You have peppered your comments with plenty of complaints and labels of what I have had to say. 0000536402 00000 n That GMO seeds were only sold commercially. The plant is often grown in flooded paddies, but it can only survive for about 3 days under water. I dont know what you consider a good source of accurate information about Monsanto, but Ive quickly turned to Wikipedia for some. You want to make your own decision, I haven't reread the entire thread again, but I certainly have said nothing to attempt to take that choice away from you. Always have for 30+ years. In 1999, a group of seed catalog companies, led by High Mowing Organic Seeds, teamed up to create the Safe Seed Pledge. That was not the complete information I was looking for. Because my clear meaning was to say I do not fit in those categories that others are trying to force upon me. Atlee Burpee & Co. Burpee is NOT owned by Monsanto. I just clicked on it and it went right to it. Ferry-Morse. I normally would not provide links to support my position. In India, it goes on to say, there is now a biotech seed monopoly and Bt cotton seed has become the standard and organic seed has become unobtainable. If they word "bow" creates linguistically more negative emphasis on preaching, which may be true, I should replace it with words that do not. Yet you dont consider this statement a label? What people seem to neglect in the conversation, is there is another side to the issue of genetic engineering.First, some things I will agree on: The overuse of herbicides and pesticides in agriculture and the GE of crops to resist the harmful side effects is cause for concern. That is hurtful to all. And if you did not want to, then why did you find the one link that you disagreed with and respond to only that? That's why I'm concerned about them. Compare $ 1 98. California now has the same disease. Do you usually answer questions with yes or no answers? If others want to do this I am sympathetic but have mixed feelings about the effect of that. At this point in time, I do not have the time and did so reluctantly because I felt obligated to respond to your 2015 post addressed directly to me. And let me draw attention to the fact that you did not address the other half of my statement which was about the way in which youve added your analysis of me into the discussion. After only your very first paragraph, I am already disagreeing with everything youve said. From 1856 onward, Ferry Morse seeds have been supplying the freshest and best garden seeds for the home gardens of American gardeners. Can we distinguish between, what you said --- that I originally said that getting the word out produced a better understanding. Similarly, Monsanto has the rights to Better Boy, one of my regular tomatoes. But if you did not have an interest or the time to look at them, you only had to say so. The people who are against Monsanto aren't doing their cause any favors by spreading misinformation and the few articles I have read about the issue have been written by people who clearly have an agenda that isn't informing the public, but it to rally people to their cause by any means necessary. I know you won't like all my replies but I don't want you to think I am ignoring anything. It's a conspiracy theory website and anyone can post articles there. But, I think I've spent enough time responding to this thread. I agree with you, it is an emotional issue, so sticking to facts and trying to say no less and no more than what you mean is important, just not always easy to do. No. Respect your time? Each variety is maintained genetically pure to itself, and the home garden area has absolutely no more access to GMO's than any all-organic anti-GMO crusading company. :-). And I'm transferring the burden of 'fact checking' to others? Once that I buy only conventionally bred seeds, and prefer only conventionally bred vegetables and fruits and GMOs concern me but this is a case by case problem. Thanks for bringing them to my attention. Founded in 1850, Livingston is best known for bringing the modern tomato to the world. There is a present and significant danger that the $10 billion citrus industry in Florida will be destroyed and the best solution so far is a GMO project going on. And since I am anti-Monsanto I see no other way to interpret that, except that you consider me and anyone against what Monsanto does to be an anti-Monsanto preacher.]]]. And I don't feel any need to defend my complete dislike of Monsanto and what they are about. I have no complaint about you personally, only with the incompatibility of our conversational style and how that interferes with us gaining any ground in either of our positions on this issue. The first year the company did $6,000 in business. tomatoman-"Tomato Growers Supply Company is a family-owned small specialty seed company founded in 1984 by Vince and Linda Sapp. It is from the Jan 2015 issue and talks about sourcing high quality seeds. Rice (Oryza sp) is the main food crop of 2.5 billion people across the globe, most living in third world countries of Asia and Africa. As for the GMO involved, yes, it is the leading potential solution and everyone will probably have equal and free access to it, including every other country around the world growing Citrus. The other thing you said *about* being misquoted is *false*, quoting what you say now: "PC misquoted me, I said people becoming aware of the issue of GMOs was a good thing.". And against it being sold to home gardeners or to commercial farmers. Do you realize that is what you are saying? That's about it. This is all I need to know.>>> OWNED BY MONSANTO OR SEMINIS OR SELL SMALL PERCENTAGES OF SEEDS FROM THEM. The 'foodandwaterwatch' link doesn't work, but it is two years old. Please explain, what it is about a desire not to see genetically modified seeds and plants that you object to? And you thought these suggestions would make me happy? If you call and ask, I can imagine you could get the run around. It is your right to have that belief, whether religiously-based, socially-based, scientifically-based, statistically-based, etc. McKenzie products are available in over 4,500 garden centers, independents and major retailers across Canada. Monsanto does not offer genetically modified vegetable seeds for the home garden market. As for the subject of this thread - it was originally about seed companies that Monsanto has bought and people who want to avoid seed companies that Monsanto has bought - if you do not understand the reasons that people are avoiding Monsanto seed companies, than you dont. It is my assumption that they are losing money on home garden seeds since production has to cost them more than their tiny sales, and they just keep it going so no one accuses them of discontinuing popular American tomato varieties. Is Ferry-Morse seeds owned by Monsanto? What can I personally do about it? The 1906 earthquake demolished the firm's facilities, but they quickly moved to temporary space in San Francisco, and the company bought out Cox Seed and Plant. Are you not against any of the things that Monsanto has done and is doing? Ferry-Morse. I take umbrage to that comment. American Seed offers high quality products with a goal of remaining affordable for consumers. Would never use a lawn service and have explained the problems of them to my neighbor who did and doesn't any more. And that is the reason why I wanted to end this conversation. The title of the list is bogus. Are these smaller seed companies you are concerned for, owned by Monsanto? Thanks for the rest of the links. So there is the promise of better seed, better crops, and then the actual result of crop failures and Monsantos PR department trying to claim they are a success. :-). That should do it. Your interpretation of another comment is again, not quite accurate. Profit over everything, disguised as something else. After the material costs, Monsanto get about $0.02 per year from me and it probably costs them $0.03. Wouldn't it appear they are trying to have a monopoly on seeds? The idea started with a nylon stocking to hold the soil which, as it turns out, creates a well-aerated pot for healthy root growth. 1. As for the GMO involved, yes, it is the leading potential solution and everyone will probably have equal and free access to it, including every other country around the world growing Citrus., You are splitting hairs. I still do not know what the truth is about what happened in India so it is not possible to discuss it at all, but obviously something very negative happened in India and I would have preferred if you gave a balanced explanation of why you felt that link was incorrect, instead of stating that it was completely debunked, as if that completely clears GMOs and Monsanto from any wrong doing in India. A.W. Our intention was to be the best source possible for gardeners wanting to grow tomatoes from seed. NotMonsanto. I attempted to end the conversation very briefly without a long explanation in the comment before this one. The length of this thread has now become ridiculous. [g] Not always easy to get what is in your head clearly down on the page. In 1921, they bought the commission packet business from Morse. On time delivery of my seeds. And Ive further offended you, by suggesting that what I understood you to say was that you were torn about GMOs. But why artificially restrict my options like that. Youve said twice you consider yourself an independent thinker. I expect the same good faith from you.. I respect everyone's beliefs which include not giving them false and misleading info because it is morally my belief. Molanic, I just finished reading that article in Mother Earth News. The release will only happen if it passes the regulatory hurdles and more importantly works. You should not assume I must do all the grunt work for an argument if I start and find no credibility nor effort to fact check on your part. Thanks for providing me a second look at it. We are in the same boat, since it took me at least as much time as you to compose my replies for you or may I dare say maybe longer :-(, and your replies were not a walk through the park to read and I did visit and read every link you offered. In 2005 . I will address your issue about the reputed 250,000 suicides per year in India which you have taken on faith to be true, and not critically taken the time to fact-check. When the purchase was finalized, I was out on my rear without a job, so if anyone has reason to be unhappy with them for political reasons, that's me! Im not an expert on Monsanto. I buy seeds from organizations I have some reason to trust and who are functioning in a way I appreciate. Id like to see individuals participate more in creating businesses that are all about community and supporting the environment. 0000519553 00000 n 0000055257 00000 n To learn from a debate my partner needs to provide quality information. I get notifications on this old thread. Most gardeners were quick to heap praise on their favorite seed companies and their . However there is one point I can beef up. [5] The combined firm became the largest seed distribution company in the world. Today Livingston is the number one supplier of top-quality, 100% Non-GMO seeds for independent businesses. To blame it all on GE crops is not an accurate portrayal of reality. I think that is the best way to influence others to try organic growing and get to the point where a company like Syngenta has no market. Rather than bow, I will use the word "succumb". I think you ought to be looking at yourself here as well, and accept your share of the responsibility for the way in which you have extended this conversation and turned most of the discussion into a discussion of me. However, after doing this research, I have bought my last Ferry Morse seed packet. What about the risks of GMO seeds and plants? PS. You see diseases developing, like the Citrus Greening disease, and you think, wellmaybe GMO and Monsanto will rescue us from these. Sunflower Fun Sunny Hybrid Mix Seed. The Ferry-Morse Seed Company is a supplier of seeds, and was at one time the largest such company in the world. Let me get this straight. We take pride in helping families across the country enjoy gardening and the fresh foods and flowers the garden produces. I prefer to make my own decisions and not be conned. 0000519148 00000 n 3. seedsNOW What we . This means that a home gardener could unknowingly be supporting the development and proliferation of genetically modified crops if the seeds used are from Seminis. So, no, I do not envision Monsanto doing anything about it or "rescuing us" as you put it. Which seed companies are owned by Monsanto? A list of companies that sell seeds native to your area, and an area specific list of natives and invasives would be more productive. Find My Store. And since I am anti-Monsanto I see no other way to interpret that, except that you consider me and anyone against what Monsanto does to be an anti-Monsanto preacher. Since a winter sowing forum is a place where people use seeds, I think the topic is entirely on point. 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